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Accidental Honesty from Sye Ten Bruggencate

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//”So you’ve no problem with having never converted anyone “//

No, cause I can’t convert anyone.

 

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12 thoughts on “Accidental Honesty from Sye Ten Bruggencate

  1. Not accidental at all. Your comprehension failure Of God and Scripture is what is glaringly obvious here. Our arguments are not intended to be convincing, We’re merely commanded to speak the truth, ‘convincing’ is out of our hands.

    Think about it, if we would be able to convince others then there would be no Atheists at all. God chose certain people to glorify Him in Hell for their rebellion against Christ. We pray you are not one of those few. I would much rather enjoy a cold lemonade with you in Heaven laughing about these good times we have had together. I still look forward to giving you a hug when I see you in Heaven, if not sooner. I will remain hopeful for your Salvation…but…how is your health? I ask because time is running out for all of us. There is a statistic that 100% of all people die. For your sake, I hope that statistic is not reliable, at least before figuring all this out. Time is short, repent so you can know the truth.

    • freddies_dead on said:

      Our arguments are not intended to be convincing,

      Well, in that respect, both you and Sye have succeeded far beyond your wildest expectations…

  2.      No, Dan, we understand the excuses you are making. We just see that they are lies. Logically, if you make arguments that are intended to be unpersuasive, you must want people not to believe your claims. You must have a desire to watch with glee while all those people suffer. Otherwise (if you really believed your claims) you would want to convince. And by your own admission, you don’t.

  3. What Sye and Dan have are guilty of is using “Christianese” when talking to non-Christians. I don’t meant that pejoritively. What I mean is they are answering the questions as if the outsider were an insider, so to speak.

    When Sye says he can’t convert anyone, what he means (should be meaning) is that as a Christian he/we are/is only called to present Christ and be ready to give a defense to all who ask. It is God who actually “converts” the non-Christian, not the Christian.

    What Dan has done is preach to your readers through his comments. There isn’t anythig wrong with that, per se. But I think it may have been more effective — and given you less fodder for ridiculing and dismissing the Christian message out-of-hand. This is why on my blog I present arguments, just as Paul did btw. I dont want my messege being unwarrantedly dismissed.

    but Dan’s point about if it were up to Christians to do the converting by their power, there would be many fewer Atheists. Not to mention the will of the Atheist who resists.

    That being said, it really isnt the Christian’s job to convert the way it seems you meant it.

    • When Sye says he can’t convert anyone, what he means (should be meaning) is that as a Christian he/we are/is only called to present Christ and be ready to give a defense to all who ask. It is God who actually “converts” the non-Christian, not the Christian.
      While it’s always amusing (to me) to see Sye admit that he can’t or wont convince anyone that his faith is correct, you’re correct John. His admission is quite consistent with his Calvinism as well as is presuppositional apologetic.

      Sye has already admitted that his rhetoric isn’t designed to convince anyone of anything.

      • I don’t know him, but this is actually one of my biggest problems with hardline Calvinists — even with members of the church I attend (I attend a Calvinist church, but am not a Calvinist) is they are gratefully willing to discuss God, the Gospel, Jesus, and the bible with unbelievers — and even argue with them and explain why the Atheist has the wrong worldview. But when the Atheist remains unconvinced, oh well, I’m not trying to convince you, or convert you.

        I have interacted with Dan, and I like him. I think he is right, but I differ in my approach.

        Personally, I am trying to convince an Atheist to see things my way.

  4. Presupp:

    A circular argument that isn’t intended to be convincing.

    The mistake we all make in responding to such nonsense is to try and defend our own positions. Since rational people do not claim to have all the answers, we will obviously run into difficulties at some point. A much better response is to simply stick to pointing out how ludicrous the presupp argument is to begin with…

    A circular argument that isn’t intended to be convincing.

  5. Stephen Law, a philosopher who’s had many dealings with Sye has posted about Myer’s encounter with Sye.

    As an added bonus, look who the first commentator is! And yeah, he throws the topic completely off.

  6. Ah, shit. Just noticed that you already posted there. Oh well, then that above post is for the other people who read this blog then!

  7. I’ve had my own interesting encounter with Sye.
    http://syetenbruggencate.wordpress.com/

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