Dodger Dan Still Doesn’t Understand Reality
Over at Dan Marvin’s witless ‘Debunking Atheists’ page, our witless host has again been showing himself as completely unaware of how reality actually works.
Yup, it’s the TAG again, and Dan still doesn’t understand it. I’ve tried to clarify things with this comment, and have reproduced it here so that you don’t have to waste your time on Dan’s dickish page if you don’t want to –
“Primacy if [sic] existence states that reality exists independent of consciousness but that does not account for universal consciousness and reasoning”
Why should it? It provides a rock solid reality for us to experience, allowing us to measure and quantify that reality, leading to reason being possible.
Again, you show s breathtaking lack of understanding of even very basic concepts here, Dan.
What the fuck is a ‘universal consciousness’??
“The reason is, is because God is the necessary precondition for the laws of logic which are necessary to distinguish between truth and falsehood.”
Simple re-asserting your baseless assertion STILL doesn’t make is true. The ‘necessary precondition for the laws of logic’ is, at the absolute bottom level’, a reality that exists whether conscious minds are there to experience it or not.
You see, Dan, not you, nor Syecular, nor your idol Bahnsen, not ANY of the other members of the (thankfully small) presubullshit crowd have EVER supplied a single shred of evidence to support your assertion that you need your particular version of your particular god for knowledge to be possible. You assert it over and over again, but you never provide any evidence at all.
Let me simplify the whole thing for you –
Objectivists – (as far as I understand it) Existence must ALWAYS come before consciousness, because one has to exist to be conscious, and objects have to exist for us to be conscious of them. The Primacy of Existence is an undeniable fact. The universe exists, looks EXACTLY as we would expect it to if it had occurred entirely naturally, and can be measured and altered. Basically reality is real, and we know that to be a fact. Accepting that our perceived reality is as it appears to be has allowed us to invent incredible tools to further measure that reality, and those tools have without fail shown us reality as it is.
Presubullshitters – basically accept the above so that they can then build their theist edifice on top, before shouting from the highest tower of their construction that reality actually all hangs DOWN from their building! You don’t just borrow from the objectivist worldview, you absolutely depend upon it as a foundation that allows you to then try and argue against it (and we all know how well THAT goes – remember when Dustin Segers claimed he’d debunked the Primacy of Existence, then had his arse handed to him by Dawson and others, leading to him deleting the whole post and pretending it had never happened? That was HILARIOUS).
SO, Dan, can you provide a SINGLE convincing argument that doesn’t first steal the concept you’re trying to disprove?
Bet you a quid that he replies with ‘How can you know anything for certain?’ (or words to that effect) instead of actually replying?