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Another Quick Question for Christians

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. – Revelation 20:10

If the Devil is thrown into the Lake of Fire, and defeated forever, who runs Hell for eternity afterwards?

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43 thoughts on “Another Quick Question for Christians

  1. God. Remember Alex God is everywhere.

  2. Alex,Good question. I see that Trinity has chimed in. At least in this latest comment of his, he is consistent. I asked him if hell was a blessing, and he has affirmed that it is. He is also on record as saying that his god is in hell, which is also consistent with his god, supposedly, being everywhere. But let's take this idea, and the concept "everywhere" to its extreme and ask: "Is Trinity's god inside Satan?" and "Is god inside the hearts and minds of sinners who are in hell?" Or does "everywhere" really not mean "everywhere"?Interestingly, I asked Dan over at "Debunking Atheists" the following question: "Would you say that hell is a blessing?"Dan responded: "Hmm, wow Good question. I would say it glorifies God. I guess I can say its a blessing to those that wish not to be with God for all of eternity. They detest God as it is. It would crawl their skin to see God daily. So for an Atheist, it might be a blessing. For me, Hell would be my deserved punishment for my transgressions. That is me though. (timestamp: December 16, 2011 8:47 PM)It seems clear to me from my reading of what Dan wrote, that he thinks that the Christian god will not be in hell. For Dan says, "It would crawl their skin to see God daily," and this, to me, is a clear indication that Dan is telling us that his god will not be in hell. How is it that two Christians who both claim to have the indwelling of the same perfect being (i.e., the Holy Spirity), can come to such diametrically opposed views on this issue?Ydemoc

  3. Hey, Ydemoc, when was the last time you told somebody?

  4. More importantly, Jesus was the kind of false prophets the Old Testament so warned Jews about.

  5. Clinton,What is falsity?

  6. So, Trinity, why does Satan want souls for Hell when he's not actually in charge of it?

  7. Nobody likes being lonely Alex.

  8. The following passages are examples of false statements: In Matthew 24:34, we read: "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled,"; and in Matthew 16:28 we read, ""Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."The generation passed, the people "tasted" death, what Jesus said would happen, didn't happen. Therefore, in the context of your storybook, Jesus uttered a false statement. How many more millenniums must pass before Jesus is finally declared a "false prophet"?Ydemoc

  9. Ydemoc when was the last time you told somebody?

  10. Trinity, really, you make no sense most of the time.

  11. Alex,Thanks darling.

  12. Alex,It appears that the majority of the time, Trinity is on a mission to just be disruptive. Atheists are his enemy, and he is told to love his enemy. As backwards as this may sound (and is), perhaps he sees his disruptions as an act of love. Crazy.Personally, I enjoy crafting my responses to him, even if, as I stated to him recently over on Dawson's blog: "It's almost as if Trinity is using some sort of "Random Sentence Generator" program for his responses to me, for what he writes really has no connection to anything I've written. And he seems to have employed such a program in most of his previous comments on this blog. However, I hesitate attributing all his nonsense to such a program, for that would be an insult to such a program."Not unexpectedly, he also has displayed a lack of integrity. For example, just recently we had this exchange over on Dawson's blog:Trinity wrote: "I don't dialogue with liars."I wrote: "You don't pray? You do know that you're only talking to yourself when you pray alone, right? That there really is no one else there with you, when you're alone? You recognize this, right?And if you do start dialoguing with me again, would it be reasonable to assume that you no longer think that I am a liar? Or would it be reasonable to assume that [you think] I am still a liar, but that you have gone back on your word, again, and are, in fact, willing to dialogue with liars?"Guess what? He's dialoguing with me again. Since Trinity believes in a storybook that tells him that all men are liars, he must see this as an excuse to be one himself. Or maybe his lying is just another example of how Christians demonstrate their love. Backwards. And crazy. But completely consistent with the backwards and crazy storybook he filters all his thoughts through. Ydemoc

  13. If "god" is everywhere, even in hell as you claim Hezekiah, then what do you make of these verses:Job 2:7Genesis 4:16

  14. Ydemoc when was the last time you told somebody?Reynold,It's not a physical thing.

  15. I forgot to mention Alex: In xian mythology, no one ever actually "runs" hell. Satan is just the inmate hell was originally made for. Humans get tossed in later. There is no verse anywhere that implies that satan rules hell.It seems to be a case of "misery loves company" as opposed to domination. It wouldn't be as much of a punishment if he was actually given any sort of rulership, now would it?a scholarly view that's actually true, despite the satirical nature of the source.As for Satan being the ruler of hell, that's a misconception we can probably blame on John Milton. In Paradise Lost, Satan famously bitched: "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." But there's a reason why God cast Satan and his minions into hell instead of Wisconsin: Hell sucks for everyone including imps and demons. According to 2 Peter 2:4: "God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into chains of darkness to be held for judgment."That's right, chains and prisons … for them. No iron fortresses, no fiery thrones, no mention of Satan ruling the cell block … all of that is from the Bible's extended universe and fan fiction.

  16. Sorry, but life most definitely is physical. As I said, it's been measured, studied, and tested for.If you mean spiritual life or something like that, you should have said so. Problem is: "spiritual" things themselves can't be tested so your second point winds up becoming just another assertion that atheists are free to deny without contradicting anything.

  17. What exactly is life reynold?

  18. Whoops. Fuck that last post.I was thinking of another of Trinity's posts. The one where he makes the assumption that "god is life".Well, at least now his last remark to me makes a little more sense.Or maybe not…if god's presence is not a physical thing than why claim that he's everywhere?

  19. Yeah, from being brought up by Christadelphians, I'm up to speed with the stuff that isn't actually in the Bible… Hell, the Trinity (to be fair it's 50/50 whether the Bible agrees with that or not), going to heaven when you die, the Rapture – all the stuff that generations of idiots have added on to the basic texts.

  20. Read a biology text sometime and learn what life is.

  21. Reynold,He doesn't need to be everywhere.By the way what's life?

  22. You earlier said that your god was everywhere, even in hell. As for "life", just google it

  23. Reynold,He is and he is not.

  24. Reynold wrote: "If "god" is everywhere, even in hell as you claim Hezekiah, then what do you make of these verses: Job 2:7Genesis 4:16"Trinity replied: "It's not a physical thing."It's unclear in Trinity's response what exactly "it's not a physical thing" refers to. Does it refer to hell, god, satan, presence? What? Trinity does not say. But let's examine the passages to see if they shed any light:Job 2:7: So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head.Genesis 4:16: So Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[a] east of Eden. I might also add the following verses:Matthew 18:20: For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.(The verse above clearly implies that there are some conditions under which Jesus — God, Holy Spirit — is/are not there.) Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, I will surely forget you and cast you out of my presence along with the city I gave to you and your fathers.Jeremiah 52:3 It was because of the LORD's anger that all this happened to Jerusalem and Judah, and in the end he thrust them from his presence. Now Zedekiah rebelled against the king of Babylon.Are these passages consistent with Trinity's response that "God is everywhere"? Not that I can see. Does Trinity's response, "It's not a physical thing" help in anyway? Not that I can see. As Reynold so aptly points out: "…if god's presence is not a physical thing than why claim that he's everywhere?"I might also add: If god's presence is spiritual, i.e., non-physical, but his presence is everywhere, then, on Christianity's terms, how could anyone or anything ever, as the passages claim, leave the presence of god?! A Christian and Heretic in a Park The Christian repeats the spin he's been taught, "God's presence is everywhere"The heretic says, "But, I'm going to leave God's presence."The Christian says, "You can never leave God's presence. God is everywhere."The heretic responds, "But the bible says Satan and Cain and others can leave god's presence or he can leave theirs."The Christian sits in silence, a blank expression on his face. He lowers his head and stares at the ground. Suddenly, he lifts his head, a sense of urgency in his voice, "But it's not a physical thing!"The heretic looks at the Christian, "What?! What do you mean, it's not a physical thing? What's not a physical thing?"The Christian stares blankly at the heretic, and then bows his head. Moments pass as the Christian just sits there, staring at the ground. Finally, the Christian lifts up his head and looks around. But the heretic is gone.Ydemoc

  25. Ydemoc when was the last time you somebody?

  26. For the incoherent poster that keeps asking "what's life?":     Life is cells growing and dividing. When your cells stop doing that, you are dead.

  27. Hezekie Ahaz said…Ydemoc when was the last time you somebody? help me with this? what is it? lerker.

  28. oops! ok! lerker.

  29. Pv,That's death. God is life.

  30. wow!!??? dhaaaaa. help!leker.

  31. Anonymous:     "Ydemoc when was the last time you somebody? help me with this? what is it?"     That is an example of why I think he is incoherent.

  32. It's an example of why I think he's just screwing with us. No one outside of the asylum would have thought patterns like this.

  33. Hezekiah Ahaz said…Pv,Have I ever said "I did works in Jesus name"?Pv do you exist?December 31, 2011 9:15 AMnow this is just crazy.. I know now. lurker… thanks all.

  34. It's all a dream Stranger

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  36. Everyone,I think Trinity's comments refer to an exchange that we were having over on Dawson's blog. But, frankly, I didn't put it together until recently. For those who are interested, here is the comment thread:http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=5329038081985344148&blogID=11714522&isPopup=true&page=2Trinity has also indicated that he shares his computer with family members. From what I gather, he's young, probably in his twenties. He and his siblings probably sit around the computer and take turns typing in comments that they think will get a rise out of us, giggling at our responses. For a Christian, I suppose it's that type of behavior that passes for "edgy."Ydemoc

  37. Ydemoc,When was the last time you told somebody?

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  39. To All,Happy New Year.Love in Christ,HA

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  41. Trinity wrote: "When was the last time you told somebody?"Vague. Leading. Assumes facts not in evidence. You need to review my evidentiary standards.Ydemoc

  42. More arguing about things you do not know about, using irrelevant quotes and raising false thoughts.Read Revelation properly. That is, all of it. If you do you will find these words :"The number of the Beast is the number of a man and that number is 666".Some have said the number used, 666, is some ancient Jewish code for Nero. WHo existed late in the first century AD.Regardless of who wrote it, that passage, for once, is clear. The Beast was actually a man and that man is dead. If it was Nero we have proof of his death. If not then he would have died about 1900 years ago anyway.IE there was no devil and there never has been. Just humans who do evil. Note the similarity of that word? Humans at play again. Devil is evil. Right!The Beast reference is simply the hiding of the writings of whoever wrote it out of fear. That too is not clear but the parchents were found in a cave where they were thought to be written. An old Jewish man, hiding in a cave, writing about the person who persecuted the Jews. Nero most likely.Essentially the writings of a man with limited mental capacity left at the time he wrote it.Let's throw in Armageddon as well. Anyone waiting for Armageddon to occur? Well, don't bother as Armageddon was an ancient town on the route from Europe to Jerusalem and joined with the route from Asia.It was a place where many battles occurred simply due to the conflicting religions meeting at the only place they would meet before Jerusalem. The place is gone and almost forgotten yet people still cling to the idea that Armageddon is a forthcoming doom.Just more history, fact, turned into bullshit, future.Get a grip and either read the entire Bible and research it or don't read it at all as it just reveals how ignorant you are when you quote randomly as you all do.

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