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Insane Pastor Claims Masturbation Makes Men Gay

 Probably thinking about his own body, reflected in a mirror

In a frankly hatstand booklet entitled Porn-Again Christian: A Frank Discussion on Pornography & Masturbation for God’s Men”, a Seattle based, self proclaimed Pastor called Mark Driscoll has made the following claim – 

“First, masturbation can be a form of homosexuality because it is a sexual act that does not involve a woman. If a man were to masturbate while engaged in other forms of sexual intimacy with his wife then he would not be doing so in a homosexual way. However, any man who does so without his wife in the room is bordering on homosexual activity, particularly if he’s watching himself in a mirror and being turned on by his own male body.”

I can’t help but feel that Mark has given away, in that last sentence, a little more about his own wanking habits than he probably intended to.

Just how out of touch with reality Driscoll is shows up later on the same page – 

“Fourth, masturbation can establish a pattern of laziness. If a single man wants to have an orgasm, he needs to first become a man and undergo the hard work of courting and marrying a woman. If a married man wants to have an orgasm, he needs to first undergo the hard work of loving, leading, and romancing his wife. But, lazy men are prone to rub one out in the shower each morning rather than undergo the labors usually associated with responsible masculine married life.”

Really, the guy is just making shit up. Why are people like Mark and Keith/@GodsWordIsLaw so obsessed with what other people are doing in private? 


Funnily enough, whilst putting this post together, Keith tweeted the following – 

All human life is sacred. + Masturbation is a SELFISH UnGodly act + should both be made illegal. This is God’s nation not man’s!

Brilliant! He and Mark would get on like a house on fire!

Kids, don’t listen to these lunatics, you don’t need to be ashamed of your bodies or entirely natural feelings and desires.

ADDENDUM: Christian bloggers are just as disturbed by these two as I am, read a view from the ‘other side’ here.

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8 thoughts on “Insane Pastor Claims Masturbation Makes Men Gay

  1. i see a self-loathing homosexual here…

  2. A world without shame. Is that really what you want? A world full of Bonobos Chimpanzees? Is that what your ideal and ambition to be like is?As C.S. Lewis said in "Problem of Pain", "It is mad work to try to remove hypocrisy by removing the temptation to hypocrisy. The frankness of people sunk beneath shame is a very cheap frankness".And this knee jerk hypothetical tu-quoque ("I'll bet Mark is gay …") is equally ridiculous. If you are against child molestation, does that mean you secretly desire to molest children? If George HW Bush says he hates broccoli, does that mean that at midnight every night he'd sneak down to the White House pantry and stuff his face with broccoli?

  3. I promise you, Driscoll is one of the most level headed, sanest guys out there. Just watch/listen to one of his sermons: http://www.marshill.com. They are currently going through Luke's gospel.

  4. "And this knee jerk hypothetical tu-quoque ("I'll bet Mark is gay …") is equally ridiculous."Actually it's this sentence that makes me think he's probably rather closeted – "However, any man who does so without his wife in the room is bordering on homosexual activity, particularly if he's watching himself in a mirror and being turned on by his own male body""If you are against child molestation, does that mean you secretly desire to molest children?"Are you equating homosexuality with paedophilia??

  5. ok, that quote is creepy. Perhaps he was trying to convict people of their sins who are tempted to that sort of thing. He is a Pastor. He has wide experience with tons of problems in his congregation (of something like 5000) so that is another factor you and I do not have to deal with – it might be something like that."Are you equating homosexuality with paedophilia??"Absolutely not, I'm just saying I see this type of dismissal a lot and it is really an evasion. "I'll be he …" etc. It's the type of dismissal that no one would allow in any other context, that is all I meant.

  6. I have a dream… =8-)http://imgur.com/PebG5

  7. "I, John Doe, take thee, Right Hand of Mine, to my lawful wedded Wife, to jerk and to wank from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death or us do part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I plight thee my troth."

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