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MP standing on Anti Porn ticket gets caught watching Porn

An amusing story from the BBC today….
A member of parliament from an Islamic party which promoted anti-pornography legislation has resigned after being caught watching porn in parliament.

Mr Arifinto of the Islamic Prosperous Justice Party (PKS) was photographed looking at the images on Friday.

Hypocrisy and double standards are not unique to Christians. His excuse is brilliant. Full story here.

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34 thoughts on “MP standing on Anti Porn ticket gets caught watching Porn

  1. Actually hypocrisy and double standards would mean that he says porn is wrong for everyone else, but right for him. He didn't do that; he acknowledged that what he had done was wrong, and he willingly accepted the consequences of his actions and resigned. That's integrity, not hypocrisy.

  2. Ah, I should have realised, his hypocrisy is actually 'integrity' – how silly me! He's a HERO, not a porn watching sleaze!!

  3. You haven't provided any evidence that he's a hypocrite. As I said, a hypocrite applies a double standard. He didn't apply a double standard. He said porn is wrong, and when he was caught watching it he applied that standard to himself. He didn't say 'Oh but porn is ok when I'm watching it'. He admitted he had seen it, and he resigned.Are you saying it's hypocritical to admit you've done wrong according to a standard you set yourself, accept the consequences, and voluntarily surrender yourself to chastisement?

  4. "He didn't apply a double standard. He said porn is wrong"He also told other people that it was wrong to look at porn, and (as a religious man) no doubt made a big song and dance about how angry his god would be if a good Muslim caught a glimpse of a nipple, or some pubes. In fact I'm willing to bet he's the kind of guy who's in a party who would like to ban porn altogether…and LOOK! He is!You can spin it how ever you like, this dudes a hypocrite.

  5. //You can spin it how ever you like, this dudes a hypocrite.//There's no spin here, I'm not defending what he did. But you've claimed he's holding a double standard, whereas he has publicly accepted that the standard he established applies to him as much as to everyone else. So where's your evidence that he's holding a double standard?Are you saying it's hypocritical to admit you've done wrong according to a standard you set yourself, accept the consequences, and voluntarily surrender yourself to chastisement?

  6. voluntarily surrender yourself to chastisement…How voluntary was Arifinto's resignation? At first he claimed it was just a spam email until he was put on pressure.You don't think a politician who was know for his anti-pornography views looking at pornography is putting on a false appearance of virtue or religion?

  7. //How voluntary was Arifinto's resignation?//Well he wasn't fired, was he?//At first he claimed it was just a spam email until he was put on pressure.//Did he use that to argue that he shouldn't resign? Did he ever say he shouldn't resign?//You don't think a politician who was know for his anti-pornography views looking at pornography is putting on a false appearance of virtue or religion?//I would if he didn't apply the standard to himself. But the fact is he has. He hasn't tried to justify himself or claim that the standard doesn't apply to him. Failure to live up to personal standards is not evidence that someone doesn't actually believe in them.

  8. He hasn't tried to justify himselfWell, he did try to deny responsibility by claiming it was only a spam email.

  9. //Well, he did try to deny responsibility by claiming it was only a spam email.//Sure he denied going out and getting the stuff himself, but he didn't deny his responsibility for looking at it once he knew what it was and he didn't deny it was wrong for him to be looking at it. The key point at issue here (the claim that he practiced a double standard), is simply wrong. He applied to himself the same standard he wanted applied to others

  10. Arifinto was an out-spoken supporter of the anti-pornography law that put Nazril Irham in prison for 3 and a half years for possessing a self-made sex-tape. He called for increasing the prison sentence for possession of pornography to be increased to 15 years. It was.He was filmed watching a pornographic video for more than seven minutes. He had downloaded the video.There are people in prison right now because of his influence. And he resigns when put under pressure and somehow he not a hypocrite?

  11. If you want a good view of how the story played out put "Arifinto" into Google News.6 Days ago – Arifinto was denying viewing the pornography saying it was just a spam email.5 Days ago – Photographer says he took seven minutes of footage of Arifinto opening pornographic files he had saved in a folder. 4 Days – Protests3 Days ago – Calls for him to be removedThen "voluntary resignation"

  12. Fortigun:     It seems he thought it was okay for himself to do it as long as he didn't get caught.

  13. JC, none of the facts you list are under dispute (note, none of the *facts*; at least one statement you've made isn't a fact). But what I don't see is Arifinto saying 'The standard doesn't apply to me, I'm allowed to view porn'.Furthermore, Nazril Irham was *not* put in prison for 'possessing a self-made sex tape'. The Bill on Pornography does not apply any penalties to people *viewing* porn or *possessing* porn. Nazril Irham was put in prison for *engaging in* porn, which is what the bill is aimed at.If Arifinto has broken a law and claims the law shouldn't apply to him, then sure he's a hypocrite.//And he resigns when put under pressure and somehow he not a hypocrite?//What is it that's making him a hypocrite? With all you've written, you haven't yet explained why you think he's calling for one standard for himself, and another standard for everyone else.//It seems he thought it was okay for himself to do it as long as he didn't get caught.//When you have evidence that he didn't believe he was doing anything wrong, just let me know. Being an atheist doesn't magically free you from the burden of evidence and intellectual honesty.

  14. So Fortigurn, you *still* don't think this chap is a hypocrite? Has put other people in prison for owning pornography, has pushed for a 15 year sentence for possession, and was filmed watching porn on his computer, porn that he'd downloaded….THEN he lied about what had happened, to try and make himself look better!!Seriously, how can you be presenting him as some kind of hero??

  15. "But what I don't see is Arifinto saying 'The standard doesn't apply to me, I'm allowed to view porn'."But what we DO see is Arifinto THINKING the above. Cos if he didn't think it he wouldn't have been watching porn in the first place. I hope he gets a taste of his own medicine.

  16. //So Fortigurn, you *still* don't think this chap is a hypocrite?//Not until you can prove he wants one standard applied to himself, and a different standard applied to everyone else.//Seriously, how can you be presenting him as some kind of hero??//I'm not.//But what we DO see is Arifinto THINKING the above.//I'm sure there's a market for your mind reading machine. Let me know when it's on sale.

  17. "Not until you can prove he wants one standard applied to himself, and a different standard applied to everyone else."HE WAS WATCHING PORN!!! How much clearer does it have to be??? Has he sent himself to prison? NO. Did he lie about what he'd done when he was caught? YES!

  18. Well, let's look at it from another angle. Fortigurn, how would you describe Arifinto' actions?

  19. The Bill on Pornography does not apply any penalties to people *viewing* porn or *possessing* porn.Not true. here's an article from 2008 when the law was first past. "Possessing or downloading porn can land you in jail for four years"Another 'pre-Arifinto incident' article:"The maximum penalty for lending or downloading pornographic material is four years in jail or a 2 billion rupiah ($219,200) fine."

  20. ( Alex check your spam filters! )The Bill on Pornography does apply penalties to people *possessing* porn.

  21. //HE WAS WATCHING PORN!!! How much clearer does it have to be???//This isn't in dispute. What's in dispute is whether or not he believes he's allowed to watch porn but no one else is. Let me know when you can prove that.//Has he sent himself to prison? NO. Did he lie about what he'd done when he was caught? YES!//Sure he lied about what he'd done when he was caught. But the legislation in question (if you read it), does not mandate a prison sentence for what he did, so there's no reason for him to send himself to prison.//Well, let's look at it from another angle. Fortigurn, how would you describe Arifinto' actions?//Pretty normal for an average person, even more normal for a politician. But a complete embarrassment for someone professing his religious standards, and highly compromising of his character.//The Bill on Pornography does apply penalties to people *possessing* porn.//Ok I stand corrected (chapter 7 clause 33); consider us even, we've both corrected each other. However, you will have noted that it does not mandate a prison term. The penalty is discretionary, a prison sentence *or* a fine (with a maximum sentence of 4 years in prison, a maximum fine of Rp 2,000 million). Unfortunately the law in this case does not require him to go to prison.In this case his resignation may be accepted in lieu of a fine, but if there are calls for a fine or further punishment and he resists them, then he's being a hypocrite.

  22. "This isn't in dispute. What's in dispute is whether or not he believes he's allowed to watch porn but no one else is. Let me know when you can prove that."I think that the fact that he was watching porn gives a fair indication that he DID believe he was allowed to watch it….just as long as he didn't get caught.

  23. Well Alex, when you have evidence for that claim that do let me know.

  24. If you can't see the evidence that's right in front of you then your delusions are deeper than I'd previously assumed.

  25. Try to differentiate between your opinion and demonstrated fact.

  26. Demonstrated fact – Man who has pushed for others to be imprisoned or heavily fined for owning pornography is caught watching pornography that he owns.That's hypocrisy.

  27. //Demonstrated fact – Man who has pushed for others to be imprisoned or heavily fined for owning pornography is caught watching pornography that he owns.//No, what you need is 'Man who has pushed for others to be imprisoned or heavily fined for owning pornography is caught watching pornography that he owns AND CLAIMS THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE IMPRISONED OR FINED'.Remember, you claimed he was applying one standard to himself, and another standard to everyone else. All I'm looking for is evidence for your claim.

  28. I'm walking away from this, I think you've got some serious issues, Fortigurn.

  29. Let me give you a good example of hypocrisy. Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating once wrote on a banknote, signing his name. Under Australian law, this constitutes defacing the currency, which is a crime.Keating argued that the law did not apply to him, since the adding of his signature did not constitute defacing the currency by 'enhancing' it. That's an example of a double standard; you writing on currency constitutes defacing it, my writing on currency constitutes enhancing it. See the point?

  30. //Keating argued that the law did not apply to him, since the adding of his signature did not constitute defacing the currency by 'enhancing' it.//Sentence should read thus:* Keating argued that the law did not apply to him, since the adding of his signature did not constitute defacing the currency, but was 'enhancing' it

  31. I bet you're the life of the party, Fortigurn.Can we all agree that the anti-porn minister caught watching porn is funny?

  32. //Can we all agree that the anti-porn minister caught watching porn is funny?//There's certainly an undeniable schadenfreude about it.

  33. Anon #2,Looks like he doesn't agree to funny.Try again.

  34. "Can we all agree that the anti-porn minister caught watching porn is funny? "I think it's fucking hilarious, Anon #2…but then I always laugh when arrogant religious hardliners screw up in public.

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