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Atheists and Charity.

From the late Stormbringer’s nervous breakdown earlier in the week….

Are you giving to those atheist charities that were started up because st00pid Xtians were showing up you cheap lot? Oh, that’s right, Daffy Dawkins had his charity embezzled. But there are plenty more efforts for atheists to benefit humanity, yes?

(crickets)

Nope. Not good for anything except making noise and keeping people awake at night. 

Before I get the the heart of this post, I’m going to comment on Stormbringer’s ‘Daffy Dawkins had his charity embezzled’ statement. It’s not clear what Stormy is on about here, is he claiming that Dawkins requested that someone embezzle funds from his charity, or that he was the victim of embezzlement? What actually happened is the latter, but it’s interesting to see how Stormbringer tries to attach Dawkins himself to the acts of a criminal. Plenty of Christian charities have been stolen from by their employees, it doesn’t say anything about the quality of those charities or the people who set them up, so I don’t know what point Stormbringer is trying to make (beyond rather childish and misguided point scoring)

Anyway, with that dealt with, let’s look at Stormbringer’s main claim, that Christians giving makes Atheists look bad. Firstly we should consider that atheists aren’t part of some group, unlike Christians they don’t gang together to form ‘Atheists for the Wiping Out of Poverty’, they are not in the same ‘gang’. Christians don’t seem to understand this, with many of them repeatedly claiming that atheism is a religion in its own right. I suppose their limited world view makes them assume that everyone else operates with the same attitudes that they do…that group mentality is all.

It’s also worth remembering that Christians are directly commanded by their god to do good deeds, something Albert Einstein had something to say about

“A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”

Surely a Christian giving because he is told to is actually worth less than a non-believer giving because they think it’s the right thing to do? The non-theist isn’t working from the assumption that he’ll get a greater reward in heaven, he’s giving because it’s the right thing to do.

Stormbringer also claims that atheists are being shown up by Christian giving, yet if we look at some of the biggest ever charitable donations, made by Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Robert Wilson we find (in order) an atheist, an agnostic, and another atheist. In fact Gates, via his charitable foundation, is one of the biggest givers in history. This is a long way from Stormy B’s claims that atheists are miserly penny pinchers being shown up by endlessly giving holy rollers.

As a side note, Stormy had also claimed that atheists were good for nothing in the world. But can I ask you something Stormbringer? Does a group of Christians getting together to pray for the victims of some disaster do anything at all? Isn’t prayer the ultimate salve for a conscience that doesn’t really give a shit about other people? 30 people talking to themselves in a room doesn’t move rubble or bring water to survivors.

Ultimately Stormbringer’s claims go against the better suggestions of his own holy book, and I’ll leave you with this passage from the Gospel of Matthew.

Watch out! Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired by others, for you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven.When you give to someone in need, don’t do as the hypocrites do—blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I tell you the truth, they have received all the reward they will ever get. But when you give to someone in need, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.Give your gifts in private, and your Father, who sees everything, will reward you. Matthew 6:1-4 

I’d suggest that crowing (wrongly) that Christians are the BESTEST EVER at charity falls very much into the realm of ‘blowing trumpets in the….streets’. Very much like Joe Cienkowski, Stormbringer is incapable of being right about anything.

Addendum

Stormbringer, via one of his sockpuppets, has responded with this frankly bafflingly insane reply.

Conga-rats on the most ridiculous post you’ve made yet. When organized atheist charities like Daffy Dawkins’ have been stolen from, that says something since there are so few copycat atheist charities to being [sic] with.

You dredge up a few atheist celebrities who make tax-deductible donations. ‘Oo bloody RAY! It still pales in comparison to Christian individuals and organisations.

Nice spin attempt, I’ll give you that. 

OK, that’s it. I’m not going to engage with Stormbringer again. He seriously thinks he’s making a point here, but it’s incoherent ranting. I firmly believe Stormbringer to be borderline mentally ill, and I’m no longer going to legitimise his apparent issues by encouraging him further.

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7 thoughts on “Atheists and Charity.

  1. Conga-rats on the most ridiculous post you've made yet. When organized atheist charities like Daffy Dawkins' have been stolen from, that says something since there are so few copycat atheist charities to being with.You dredge up a few atheist celebrities who make tax-deductible donations. 'Oo bloody RAY! It still pales in comparison to Christian individuals and organisations.Nice spin attempt, I'll give you that.

  2. Come on then, name a single Christian who's donated as much to charity as Gates!You're losing it Stormy, 'When organized atheist charities like Daffy Dawkins' have been stolen from, that says something since there are so few copycat atheist charities to being with.' – did you even read back what you'd written there? It makes literally no sense at all.Yet again you've been shown, via actual evidence, that you're wrong and, yet again, you're demonstrating just how completely through the looking glass you are by posting complete nonsense as replies.You're properly insane.

  3. So, where did my reply go? Coward.

  4. er…nowhere, if something you wrote isn t there it's purely because you didn't hit 'post.. Comments here aren't moderated or deleted, no matter how barking made the person typing them.I've not blocked you, or deleted you, and am only posting a reply to point that out. As i've said, i'm not going to facilitate your delusions any further. Any interaction from me will be purely related to technical issues with the blog.

  5. "Any interaction from me will be purely related to technical issues with the blog."Which would be a good procedure when you post your hateful, illogical nonsense on other Weblogs, Bubbles.

  6. Giving is not a "group mentality".Ask Bill Gates why he gives…you'll find out one thing that it is….It is something dealt with in the Bible and also through the Holy Spirit of God, through His people.Let me show you something:James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.1 Tim 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.We are supposed to 'visit' widows and orphans and 'relieve' them…as part of 'pure religion'.There's also an understanding with the Christian that all that he has belongs to God anyway and that this life is temporary. Also, we reap what we sow, and if we give, it shall be given.One last point; the Spirit of God is able to 'impress' this upon His people without the Word…and certainly without a group. I've seen this first hand.But it certainly is more than a 'group mentality' Alex. It is God, through His people, reaching out to others. …for God loveth a cheerful giver.

  7. "Ask Bill Gates why he gives…you'll find out one thing that it is…."Wow! You know what Bill Gates is thinking??"Let me show you something:James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.1 Tim 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.We are supposed to 'visit' widows and orphans and 'relieve' them…as part of 'pure religion'.There's also an understanding with the Christian that all that he has belongs to God anyway and that this life is temporary. Also, we reap what we sow, and if we give, it shall be given.One last point;the Spirit of God is able to 'impress' this upon His people without the Word…and certainly without a group. I've seen this first hand.But it certainly is more than a 'group mentality' Alex. It is God, through His people, reaching out to others. …for God loveth a cheerful giver."So basically what your saying is 'God tells me to give' and 'God will give me more back, so it's a form of investment'Kind of fucked up, no?

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