LinziSue Interviews Raissa….
…..with typically witless results. Really Raissa doesn’t have a clue….
2. People say that God heals through prayer but I cannot help but notice nobody has ever had a regrowth of a severed leg through faith healing & most Christians would rely on doctors for medical help. If God heals why do Christians use doctors & why won’t God heal amputees?
Lindsay when you decided to interview me I was expecting serious questions. These questions have been asked several times and have been answered before. God can do anything and nothing is impossible with God. But God will do it according to our faith. The reason why there are some Christians walking around with diseases is because they lack faith. God will do anything we ask him to do but we need to believe him for it.
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It’s beyond obvious that atheism is a lie that was created by rebels who felt they were superior to God. I have spent quite some time studying atheism and I have learned quite a few things. First and foremost atheism is simply willful rebellion against God. After speaking to quite a few atheists I have come to conclusion that the majority of them always sound very angry, although they claim their anger is not directed towards God, I have every reason to believe otherwise.
Oh, and completely old hat by the way. Every one who has neglected to realise that it is THEIR religious claim that needs defending has pulled out these ridiculous anti-atheist soundbites out of their backsides.
No, you haven’t ‘studied’ atheism at all. It’s ‘beyond obvious’.
22.000 children die, EVERY DAY, becaused they are not properly cared for….not to mention the ammount of abandoned orphans out there that have no one to raise them. Children are not wild animals. They need more than just food and water (some don’t even recive that)…
can you not tell the diference between a child and a fetus???
And btw…abortion can only be done in the first couple months (before the baby has the ability to hear or feel or even think) after that it is even a risk to the mother. So even if a women wants to abort at that point she can’t without risking her own life.
But abortion should be a first option since we already have so many child up for adoption with no one to care for them…
Everyone deserves at least water, food, education and medical care if needed. No one should have to live without these things. No one should have to live life to suffer.
You value quantity of life over quality of life….and this concept is planted in you by your religion (not logical thinking and rationalization)…might this be pe planed to assure more followers of a certain religion?? (Christianity in your case)??? Being against abortion in a concept that you get from your personal belifs…being pro choice is based on selfless rationalization and think logicly considering the facts aboutb the current state of over population and children without care in the world.
I also thing everyone should consider adopting a child…even if you have to ability to concibe…even if you plan to concibe. Consider an adoptive child and a biological one…
Of couse, if you are able to provide the basic…
Again…everyone deserves at least food, water, education and acess to proper medical care…
Pro choice is pro life….
Abortion is okay.
Fornication is okay.
Isn’t God supposed to love everyone?
And if all of those things are wrong, and God created morality, why didn’t he “teach” that those things are wrong?
Why did he even make them?
Sorry, but that’s just not simply the case. Are you also saying that Buddhists, Hindus, etc. are also secret Christians? They believe in God, but they refuse to admit it, right?
You need to accept the fact, Miss Raissa, that atheists just don’t believe god exist. If I told you that reptiles were posing as humans in the American government, you would most likely disbelieve that.
Would I then be right in saying that you secretly believe it, but are rebelling against it? And you are simply refusing to admit your belief?
If somebody says they don’t believe something, it’s best not to dictate to them what they’re really thinking, and move on.
If I am wilfully rebellious against something, it is those of faith who – like you, believe that all aspects of my life should be defined by a book I do not accept to explain life and death in terms that I see as real, plausible or even coherent.
The very fact that I define myself as atheist flies in the face of your assertion that I ‘know there is a god’. I know no such thing, in fact, YOU know no such thing. I do not believe in god, I do not “believe there is no god”. These are similar sounding expressions, but completely different in meaning.
Is it my turn to spout cliche’d and inaccurate generalisations about christians? Maybe so, but I to be honest, everyone is (as far as I am concerned) welcome to believe whatever they wish.
If I were to force my views, beliefs and outlook on life upon you, I would be no better than, well, you.
Believe what you will, allow me and others to disbelieve whatever we wish.
*smile*
I know this is hard for your fragile, self centered psiky to handle but some people just don’t belive in god. Many people just don’t think the god you belive in exists, and some people belive in a god totaly diferent than what you discribe. And some people even belive in the bible god, but in a diferent way than you. Its not that they know your god is real and rebel against him…they just have diferent views than you. You can try to comfort yourself by trying to convince yourself everyone knows in some extent your god is real….but that is not the case. You can not say someone is rebeling against you just for having diferent views. No one is out to get you. Athiests have no anger or any kind of fellings twords your “god”…athiests only have a problem with people like you trying to shove what you belive in down everyones throat as if it were fact or “truth” like you say…as if it had the validity and were factual like historical records or a scientific studies. You speak as if your god and jesus are just as factual as the fact the composition of water is H2O….
And its a problem when you use your god to discrminate against people for no logical reason…that have caused no kind of harm.
So…let’s make it cleare….no one is rebeling against your god…no one cares about your god…its YOUR actions…its YOUR disrespectful words…and its especialy you shoving it down other peoples throat.
A treatise on shallow reasoning.
An opus of obnoxious oversimplification.
The best raving of a crazy person since Charenton sanctioned 120 Days of Sodom by DeSade, although not nearly as original or entertaining.
Bravo. Really, well done you.
Typically, you get “atheism” and “science” mixed up. They have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
Atheism is a disbelief in ANY god or gods. It has nothing to do with science, evolution, abortion or anything else you tag on to it. That’s your agenda.
I feel superior to fundementalist christian because of crap like what you’ve written here. It’s really hard not to.
Morals? Bible says it’s bad to eat shrimp or wear clothes of mixed fibers! Bible says it good to execute your unruly children and OK to own other humans as slaves. Do you know why we’ve thrown out these stupid rules? Because people decide morality, and we can use our brains to figure out where old rules were bad — and then change them.
Do you believe in the Christian God, and the Christian God alone?
If so, why do you chose to believe in the Christian God, but disbelieve every other god?
You cannot defend this by saying “it’s what the Bible tells us” because a Muslim can just as easily defend their own position by saying “it’s what the Koran tells us”.
You can believe what you will, that is the beauty of life. However, it seems immoral, to me at least, to tell someone else they can’t believe what they want.
Try living as though you are the one in control. You will see the world much differently. It is not a spit in your Gods face. If anything, if God does exist, I’m pretty sure he would want you to use the brain he supposedly gave you and not fall victim to ignorance and credulity.
Thank you for proving me right. And also, thank you for giving me and my girlfriend a great laugh over breakfast. Your first line had me in stitches. YOU should try stand up. There’s a future for you.
second, does this looks like a children?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/science/07limb.html?_r=1
You can be against abortion in your body, but you have no business with the bodies of everyone else.
Adopt one of the million that live on the streets, feed one of the million that live in poverty, donate, educate …Those are REAL defenseless children. What you are concerned is with an embryo that has a potential to be a child.
“Bad” and “Disadvantage”
Thanks.
Bad : an accurately described album by Michael Jackson
Bad : an act/word that is frowned upon by those that are in the position of judge. Of course 10 different people will have differing standards of bad.
Disadvantage : to be in a position of weakness in comparison to another or others.
I am an Atheist. I was raised in an LDS home where my parents have me the best teachings that one ever could hope for. I was taught of the idea of God, the idea of Christianity and the idea of Mormonism. Armed with only knowledge, my parents then gave me the freedom of what to worship and believe. Ultimately, my decision came to Atheism.
I am not at all angry with “God,” but angry with God’s followers. I am angry with people who ignorantly attack another’s beliefs when their belief does no harm. I’m angry at the Christian faith for denouncing the use of contraception in the fight against AIDS and HIV in Africa.
I am much like many other Atheists in that I have no quarrel with the idea of god (an all-loving and all-powerful being who only asks that you observe him is not a bad thing at all) but a problem with ignorance, blind faith, bigotry, and outright non-Christian behavior exuded by those that follow him. I would not fault a Christian who behaved as a Christian should, but it has become apparent that as long as your faith is different from someone else’s,
I am an Atheist. I exercise my right of free will by not believing your god yet still I hold to morals that are taught by the church. I accept your belief and you as you are, yet you do not return the favor. I respect your belief for the good it has brought the world and hate it for the bad things it has brought to this world, yet you do not do the same for me. I behave morally; I do not steal, I do not murder, I do not rape, hurt, destroy or otherwise damage my fellow man. You verbally attack Atheists and threaten them with condemnation to Hell. In the eye of your lord Jesus Christ, whom would he favor?
Sincerely,I am very sorry that I was mean to you in the past. I was completely unaware that you had learning difficulties. I promise to be more tolerant in the future.
Stephen
No research. No logic. No facts. No evidence. The slandering of a long-dead and brilliant Charles Darwin, and the 20+ years of research he did and evidence he collected. Logical fallacy after logical fallacy after logical fallacy. Presuppositions, lies, arrogance, delusion. Typical Raissa.
Even in Christianity, a terribly delusional faith, finding a choir to which Raissa could preach is a near impossibility. Most people are better and deserve better than this buggered up bullshit.
Usually, being an optimist, I can find one redeeming quality of a person to respect. With Raissa, I find nothing. A person who is empty, null and void. An obsolete way of life and thought.
1. Life came from chemicals, not nothing.
Chemicals came from exploded stars, not nothing.
Stars came from cosmic matter, not nothing.
Cosmic matter came from the explosion of a singularity of infinite gravity and energy, not nothing.
Energy and Gravity appear to be eternal, so I guess you could argue that they come from “nothing”.
Random fluctuations in potential energy have been observed to wink in and out of “nothing”. Astrophysicists argue that they would be sufficient to cause the Big Bang.
2. All that we know and can observe about the universe is that simple gives rise to complexity, not the reverse.
It is naively stupid to suggest that the universe began with an un-caused infinitely complex sentient invisible being made of absolutely nothing, but that would look like us if we could see it. The idea is stupid because it breaks all the observed rules of this universe.
3. Many things with a high degree or order may look “designed”, but they are not. Snowflakes and rainbows, for example. We can only tell the difference between what man designs and what has been caused by natural mechanisms because we have learned to identify the features of man-made objects.
4. You are the first Christian I know who believes that god is your ancestor.
The official version is that one of the two creator gods mentioned in the biblical Book of Genesis made your ancestors out of a heap of dirt. If one of these gods (El or Yahweh) is your ancestor it would imply that his supernatural genetic code is part of yours.
I thought Jesus was the only one who had god-genes in his makeup. Unless you believe that Jesus had sex with women (Mary Magdalene?) then he failed to pass along these god-genes to future generations. Even if he did, how do you know that you were one of his descendants?
I was raised Catholic. Over the years, I became agnostic, at best. I am not an atheist. I am not a Christian. I am certainly not angry at a god that I am not sure I even believe in. I found this post in a wayward trail of tweets that caught my eye on Twitter.
What I do believe is that laws and morality have been defined by the behavior of living, breathing people on this earth that have agreed to the terms in some way. The same way our government was built. By man.
As for your “atheist holocaust”, you simply cannot group atheists in as the only abortion support. When you make up your own jargon to label people (sorry, even after Googling, I haven’t found one other person use this term) you go against what I thought was the biggest lesson in Christianity, to love thy neighbor. One of my biggest reasons for abandoning Catholicism is because I loved this rule and I never saw it upheld. Too much fingerpointing in religion for me to believe that this is “your” way. My closest friends, whom I love so dearly, are some of the ones that would be shunned by Christians. I’m deeply saddened to think that people I love should be rejected for what someone interpreted from a book.
Do you know who else supports abortion? Women who have been raped. Women who have health issues that affect whether or not they can carry a baby. Women who find out that their baby is suffering a horrible condition inside their womb. I’m sure that many of these women could also be Christians. And don’t think that using or not using birth control is a defense, or even abstinence. Every person has their own story. Feel free to stand against abortion, but be careful who you include in your generalizations of people that do not stand with you. You might be very surprised.
*Please be sure to note, there are no insults or arguments here. This reply should be read with a reasonable tone of voice with only the slightest hint of sarcasm..because that’s just who I am. I hope that my post opens your eyes a bit to see that there is so much more in the people that are outside of your church. We don’t all have to attend the same service to believe that the true morality is to respect and love each other.
While there are people that might use abortion as a form of birth control, and yes, there are, I, personally, do not support that type of behavior. However, I can guarantee you I do not want someone like that raising a child anyway.
If I am correct, the theory that “God works in mysterious ways” might stand to reason here. Man discovered a way to abort a fetus. Man/woman makes the decision to do so. Wouldn’t we accredit that free will to what God gave us?
Huh. I wasn’t aware there were any.
And you wonder why we’re angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=Fpmu42g6mDs
Zacharias gives the word “atheist” a special definition that is inconsistent with the common useage of that term. His convenient evangelical apologist-friendly definition implies that atheists “really” believe in his god and are just wilfully turning their back on him.
Zacharias assumes that they are all athiests are nihilists and have a consistent “doctrine”. Normally defined atheists won’t find the arguments in the book at all convincing because it does not address any of the issues that actually concern them, resulted in them losing their previous religious beliefs or serve to prevent them from taking theistic beliefs seriously.
Zacharias dishonestly refuses to link to sites that negatively review his books. He also severed a link to the web site of the person who ghost-wrote his chapter supporting creationism, when the research that this person did in order to write the chapter caused him to change his mind and accept that the evidence for the descent of man by modification from other species was overwhelming. This man is not just deluded, he is willfully obscuring the truth.
Unfortunately, like most con men, he easily manages to fool those who have emotional reasons for wishing to believe that he is not only telling the truth, but that he is not hiding anything that undermines his story.
He paints a grandiose picture of his academic credentials that dissolves when investigated. He implies that he studied and graduated from Cambridge, but he was merely a “visiting scholar” invited by a conservative religious college with historical affiliations to this university and a scandalous history of academic fraud and infighting. He implies that he is invited to speak to students by academic faculty at prestigious universities in the U.S., but he has set up a front that obscures the fact that he actually invites himself to speak on these premises.
This history of devious dishonesty should alert readers to the level of academic argument that he employs in his books, talks and radio show. Beware of those who deliberately Lie for Jesus!
Here is a good experiment. Go to babblefish translator in altavista. type in a paragraph, does not matter what the content it but it should be a couple of sentences. Then translate that into another language, does not matter what one, take that translation and translate that again (be sure to change the dropdown menu accordingly, it is easy to forget that part) now translate that into another language, then take that translation and translate that into yet another language. Now take that final translation and translate it back to English. That is the bible for ya!
Nice try though
That being said, I DO get offended when Christians spew words from their mouths that sounds uneducated.
Atheism as i understand it has nothing to do with with Darwin or evolution other than many atheists (by no means all) happen to also suspect…not believe that the material scientific view of the universe is more or less correct…this suspicion is backed up by mountains of evidence…
your bigotry and hatred is based solely on personal belief and not even that strongly rooted in the bible, Christ rejected the old teachings and talked of universal love and forgiveness….something you singularly fail to follow…P.S not a christian either..a human god is a human arrogance
In fact, most premature deaths of fertilized eggs in a woman’s uterus are natural. As much as 90% dies in such miscarriages. If abortion is clearly immoral, your god, by way of his divine providence, is more immoral than any atheist.
Moreover, Plato, through Socrates, rightly asks: are things moral because god wills them, or does god will things because they are moral? In other words: are morals arbitrary (whatever god happens to desire), or is there an outside morality that even god adheres to?
Consider themselves Christlike wouldn’t dare. If one atheist out of one thousand repent`s the effort was well worth I!!!! Great Job!
perhaps this is the problem?
Exodus 21:22-23
If an attack on a woman causes a miscarriage the attacker must pay a fine. If he causes serious damage to the mother it’s “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”…. This indicates that a fetus does not have equal standing under God’s law.
…Leviticus 27:6
Monetary values are assigned to lives according to age and gender. Lives under one month old have no value.
Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
A potion given to the Israelites by God is used to determine paternity. If the father is not the husband, an abortion occurs. god clearly places no value on a fetus that is not the result of union between husband and wife.
Genesis 38:24
God’s law states that if a woman is pregnant and is to be executed there is to be no waiting for the fetus to be born. It is counted as part of the mother and she burned to death with it still in her womb
Cherrypick away. Your ignorant. But worse than that, your ignorant and dont even bother to research when someone points out glaring mistakes in your “article”.
Your also ignorant of how the world works. Complexity?? Something from nothing?? Amazing how your god can come from ‘nothing’ and thats just fine.
You sit there and slag atheists when we are the lowest percent, per capita, of those in jail, by A LOT. The more atheist a country is the more equality it has and the less social ills it suffers. Where the countries with the highest rates of religiosity also have the highest rates of inequality and other social ills. If you actually bothered to RESEARCH your “article” you would know these things. You would have references. All you did was vomit your ignorance onto a computer screen.
Hooray for bible morality!
penny royal and black spurred rye were commonly used in Christian communities until relatively recently (the advent of chemical contraception and medical care)
http://foolofpsalms.blogspot.com/2011/02/response-to-atheism-lie-of-century.html
“It’s those who hated the Christian faith who deliberately used his theory to advance their agendas.”
I would like to know what exactly were the agendas.
For Raissa – we think your god doesn’t exist therefore we can’t rebel against him. What we don’t like is the arrogance of assuming that belief in his existence is a given and immutable, it is not and until you get that part you’ll never be able to speak for us.
Also, if there’s only one God, and it’s your God, what happened to all the billions who never believed in your God? did they burn? The Romans? Greeks? Phonecians? The Druids? People who built Stonehenge? the ancient Egyptians? the mysterious people of the Indus Valley? All in Hell?
there’s 7 billion people currently alive on Earth and only 2 billion of them are christian. Does that mean God hates 5 billion human beings currently alive and hundreds of billions more who have lived over the last 300,000 years our species has existed in its modern form? Will they burn in hell for not believing?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on these, and on your loving God. Having followed your tweets for some time, I suspect I already know the answer.
Thankyou for giving us an insight into the insanity that is Religion,
Talismancer
Maybe it hurts your fragile, simple little mind to realize that our anger is directed at idiots like you. I couldn’t possibly be angry at your god; he doesn’t exist.
Aren’t ya’ll too old to have an imaginary friend?
Neither of us believe in Zeus, because that which was once attributed to that particular god has been shown mythical and folkloristic; part passed on through word of mouth and part through works of classic fiction. Christianity has no less of a past. The only difference is there are still people alive, during our particular moment of space-time, who still believe the bible contains wholly unique concepts. It doesn’t. It is one of many books, revered throughout history, not because it is intended to be taken as literally true, but because it is open to interpretation. If you take it literally, you literally don’t understand what it is and why it still holds such power over people.
That doesn’t make any of it true. Nor does it mean if you don’t believe it is true you are, by default, a bad person. Stalin was an atheist. He was also a massive arse hole. Whereas the current Pope has files in his office which, if handed over to the authorities, would potentially lead to the arrest of child rapists still on the Catholic church payroll. He choses not to do that–and yet he is believed by billions of people to be his own funeral away from dinner at St. Peter’s table–for eternity.
This is not a reward. For a man like Ratzinger, or Robertson, or Palin, or Graham, or Ham, heaven is being surrounded by Christians while everyone else suffers. They are the very thing they fear the most. Christianity is, to borrow an analogy from Ancient Greek works of hero warrior god mythology, the devil’s ultimate deception.
Find Orion’s Belt. Look at the brightest point of light to its left. That’s a galaxy, containing billions of stars larger than our Sun. It’s one of trillions just in this part of the universe we happen to call the Milky Way. If you think whatever or whoever ‘created’ all of that especially for humans lives in a book written by semi-literate goat herders who couldn’t read the language they ‘translated’ from one to another–and who just so happened to have magically got every last detail of what actually happened 100% spot on–you don’t need a priest, you need a doctor.
Adam and Eve is a wonderful story. The sermon on the mount is note perfect. It is not an accident such stories have hung around. But they didn’t really happen. It was far more incredible than that. They evolved. Hence there is a strain of thought, inspired by it, embedded into the fabric of our humanity, which plays itself out in different ways. Some people are frightened of admitting that’s all it really is–a nice story. They’ve become so bedazzled by believing it is literally true they’ve completely missed the point: don’t be startin’ nuthin’, won’t be nuthin’
If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one. If you think gay marriage is wrong, don’t go to any. Stop telling everybody else what to do. You have literally no way of knowing what is right for anyone else better than they know for themselves–and if you think you do, you probably don’t know yourself very well. This is my general experience of ‘I once met an ex-atheist’ Christians, who’ve never read the logical fallacies section of wikipedia and periodically embarrass themselves on Facebook and Twitter by pretending to know something they demonstrably don’t in front of people who evidentially do.
Pleased to meet you.
Atheists don’t hate gods. It’s difficult to hate something that isn’t real. Perhaps what you misinterpret as hate is actually just understandable frustration. See, talking to Believers about the absurdity of their faith is not unlike trying to potty train a cat.
“First and foremost atheism is simply willful rebellion against God”
This may be true of some ex-thiests (not all by any means), or even some Atheists from earlier periods of history, when they were giving up a God. But it is easy to be an Atheist with a congruent worldview in the 21st century. Science, philosophy and history backs us up well. Your quote discusses what would now be called an Anti-theist not an Atheist. How can you rebel against something you don’t believe exists?
“Darwin himself was never an enemy of the Christian faith neither did he propose his theory to destroy the Christian faith or discredit it”
True, he was a man of his time. Darwin did however very much understand the implications of his theory and because of the time he was living in, he wrestled with his feelings about this, a lot. As would many people of his era who were dealing with the initial realisations of the ‘death of God’. Darwin’s theory does not attack the Christian faith at all, it simply refutes the idea that the earth was created in 6 days and as it currently is. Evolution is not the only subject to do this in Darwin’s time, in fact Darwin used many ideas from Geology to back up his ideas. The revolution was in our understanding of how old the earth is and the fact that the earth and its inhabitants change over time.
“I have also noticed that atheists claim to be moral but how is that possible if they do not believe in God, considering the fact that morality comes from God.”
To an Atheist, saying that morality comes from God is nonsense. Saying they come from God does not give us any more grounding as which God and which rules from the holy book still remain questions. Perhaps you should look up some work on ‘socialisation’ and ‘Social Constructionism’ as these types of theories give an idea of how morals and codes of conduct are created among humans. All you need to think about is the law to see how this happens. Laws are different in most countries, as are codes of conduct and moral standards. Morals like ‘do not kill’ are common (though contingent, what about capital punishment?) in most cultures, but it is easy to see why, the emotional consequences of such actions would rarely escape retribution even in animals. All of the actions you listed affect other individuals and therefore can be wrong purely between humans. The statistics actually show Atheists to be very moral people (e.g. Zuckerman et al. 2010)
As far as where the urge to be moral comes from, there are studies on empathy and our natural ability to understand the pain and suffering of others through our own experiences and biology (e.g. De Waal). This ability has been demonstrated in a number of animals including humans. It can be good for individuals to co-operate, as they may survive better with each others help. Co-operation is sometimes as important as competition in relation to ‘natural selection’.
“speak of the fetus as if it were a parasite”… I don’t believe this is the general Atheist stance, but I don’t know for sure (there is no research that I know of, nor have I seen this in my searches of Atheist sites during my PHD).
I respectfully suggest that you need to re-start your study on Atheism as you seem to have missed much important data and have not grasped many of the nuances (nor it seems the basics) of the Atheist culture.
I can see no valid reason to deny my voice, when it was shades more charitable then many of the other comments above, not to mention far more insightful than your article.
I even posted it twice, just in case it was a mistake…What gives?
The bottom line is this–if this comment ever gets approved–it’ll be because I’m not using any “blasphemous” words and there are no obvious slang Americanisms or other patterns associated with S P A M in my typing style, which would otherwise trip up the keyword filter. So, for example, because I’m a Brit, I could get this comment approved by saying something controversial about politics localised to my own country, but if I said something about the politics of the country in which the moderator happens to live, I would expect for it to be filtered out immediately. Land of the free.
But if I pronounce from the sidelines about Palin or Bush or Rumsfeld, the very mention of their names in this post flags the comment up to the moderator who might decide–ON MY BEHALF MIND YOU–that my voice is irrelevant or “too controversial” to be approved: even though, in reality, I haven’t substantively said anything either negative or positive about any of the issues mentioned thus far. Merely have I posted from a European Union IP address. Home of the brave, land of the rich.
So, presuming against all the evidence, that this is a genuine blog and not simply an article generator of some kind–designed to harvest liars for Jesus–let me ask the author this. Why did you tweet earlier today that you had received ‘attacks’ from ‘people’ which had persuaded you to alter your follow-up post to this ‘article’? If your original assertion, made above, was that atheism is, quote, “The Lie of the Century” what have we said that changed your mind? Presumably you had “part 2″ waiting in the wings before you read the comments to part 1?
What was the best counter argument posted above that caused you pause for thought? What have you learned since posting this that might cause you to change your mind?
http://riseofthenewatheism.blogspot.com/
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alan.gilbert.nixon@gmail.com
http://tinyurl.com/liarsforjesus
I would first wish to respond by saying that nobody “created” atheism because atheism is a default position. All that atheism is, is a lack of belief in a god or gods. Period. It has no doctrine, no agenda, no purpose, no beliefs, nothing. When you say that you have studied atheism you are basically saying nothing since there is nothing to really study. No two atheists are alike and there are even some religions that could be considered atheistic in nature. How can you study the lack of a belief? Your assertion that atheism is a willful rebellion against god implies a belief in the said god and thus doesn’t cover atheism since atheists lack that belief. I personally take offense to the accusation that atheists are angry. In my experiences I have received more anger and hate from christians as an atheist then I ever did from atheists as a christian… and yes, I was a christian. For the first 22 years of my life I was a devout Christian. When I say Christian I mean I was a right-wing, super conservative, evangelical, creationist believing, bible-thumping, fundamentalist Christian. As a Christian, I had read the bible cover-to-cover nearly 6 times in various versions, I had read individual passages and selections tens-of-thousands of times, I had attended thousands of bible studies and prayer meetings, thousands of church services, many conferences and camps, read hundreds of deferent bible companion books and most of the top Christian literature. I had watched countless hours of Christian videos, taken many Christian classes both in person and online, had many discussion with pastors and other church leaders, and had believed every bit of it.
I find it odd that you would choose to move on to Darwin when he has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. Just so you know Evolution deals in the realms of science and has nothing to do with religious belief or the lack there of. Also, just so you know there are people of all faith’s (and non-faiths) who accept evolution and this includes christians…. so where you are going with this I have no clue… but I will play. I noticed you made use of the word “theory” and just to be clear, a theory is the highest proof there is in science. Gravity too is just a “theory”, but I digress. The truth is that yes, for the first part of his life Darwin was a christian and no, he never claimed to be an atheist, but in his later life he did say he no longer believed in a god and was in-fact agnostic. Don’t believe me? Here is just one quote to prove my point, “Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished…And this is a damnable doctrine.” Are those the words of a Christian? But to return to the point, Darwin and Evolution have nothing to do with religion or atheism, so it was really off topic of you to even bring it up.
As for your arguments from morality, claim morality comes from god, correct? Let me ask you this then: Do you support slavery, incest, genocide, murder, rape, the suppression of women, public executions of homosexuals, other religions, women who aren’t virgins, disobedient children, people who work on saturdays, etc… If you don’t then you don’t share the same morality as your god. If you do I find your morality evil and want no part of it. You ask who taught humans our morality? Let me ask you this: would you want to me murdered? Raped? Lied to? Cheated on? Then why would you do those things to others? The thing is that it makes total sense for morality to have evolved in a social community. If you don’t want others to harm you, then it would be wise not to try to harm them. Not to hard to figure that out without a god. In fact, we observe standards of morality in pretty much every social animal society.
As for abortion, again, nothing to do with atheism and your generalizations that all atheist support it is unfounded and totally irrelevant. I know lots of christians, muslims, jews, and other religious people who support it too. What’s the point? Let me ask you this: Do you have a religious reason for believing abortion is wrong? Do you have any verses that speak against it in your religious texts? You call abortion “the atheist holocaust”, which I find funny considering the vast majority of those who get abortions are actually religious. In-fact, Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. That means that 76.3% of all abortions in the United States are by those who are religious and 68.7% of all abortions in the United States are from women of Christian belief. More like a christian “Holocaust” wouldn’t you say? Also, the use of the word Holocaust is really dishonest. The Holocaust was about racial purification and resulted in horrible torture and the mass execution of grown people with real emotions, real relationships, real dreams, real goals, fully formed nervous systems, fully aware, fully human. To compare a fetus which has none of these traits to a grown human going through one of the biggest evils of all time is being purposely dishonest and just evil. I would also like to point out that if you are so opposed to abortion, then are you and other anti-abortionists willing to adopt and care for dozens-upon-dozens of unwanted children? I ask because as it is we already have an overpopulation crises in orphanages and foster care centers and if abortions were to end, this would go up over 100 fold. Just something to think about.
MR. GWG
Secondly, science is not a weapon against religion. Science is fact. It is human beings using their amazing evolution-developed brains to figure out how the universe works. No one sets out to make scientific discoveries specifically to discredit religion. I am always amazed by the religious ego. I am also amazed that the religious aren’t amazed by such discoveries! Why is learning shunned? Why is knowledge a threat? Can you imagine if doctors ignored continually emerging improved healthcare techniques and procedures and instead continued to practice the same way they did in, for example, the early 1800′s? In the same manner, if something is discovered to be incorrect by the scientific process and discredited, shouldn’t it be replaced with the new, factually sound way? Why, then, when it has been disproved seven ways from Sunday, can we not let go of religion?
I also enjoyed how you put quotation marks around the “theory” of evolution. Fun fact: gravity is just a “theory,” too. Scientific theories have different qualifications than the way the term is used casually in conversation.
I am not attacking you, I am just asking you to open your mind. Not your heart, but your MIND. Do some logical thinking. Ask some questions. Don’t ever just accept something at face value. Grow. Try it, you might like it!
No ma’am….it’s beyond obvious that ill educated christians BELIEVE we Atheists are superior. How is it that we know the bible better than many christians? when will you crack open the bible and ACTUALLY read the parts that aren’t dictated by your pastor? When will you STOP making excuses for a your biblical boogey man?
//I have spoken to many atheists who claim morality does not come from God, stating it comes from society. Now allow me to ask these questions; how did human beings know the difference between right and wrong? Who taught human beings that murder, stealing, lying, adultery, were wrong? Who set the standards for morality if not God? After examining all these questions I came to conclusion that it’s impossible to be moral without God.//
Are you serious? you mean to tell me you don’t believe a person needs a god to know it’s wrong to murder…it’s wrong to burglar a home? How simple are you?! you came to the conclusion…I’m willing to bet you didn’t sample the population…you had no hypothesis…you’re speaking of your opinion, therefore your results are skewed.
As with many christians…you’ve said nothing new, nor profound. Also…as is common among xtians such as yourself instead of judging-have you ever dialogued with atheists in order to learn, GROW and understand who we are? If our intent was to live an immoral life…we would have STAYED in the church and lived double lives (sound familiar?) and once the immorality’s discovered-we’ll say the devil made us do it…it’s a test…I repent and then start the vicious cycle again.
Next time you attempt to STUDY Atheism…how about actually…STUDYING Atheism?
Also, there are societal norms, taboos, values that we observe which has been instilled in us. You’re taught not to disrespect elders, to clean up after yourself. You’re taught not to hit your siblings, classmates. You’re taught when you’re hired to do a job, do it to the best of your ability, don’t claim children whom YOU DID NOT TAKE CARE OF on your taxes-do you REALLY need a god or a pastor to tell you that’s illegal??
You’re taught it’s wrong to gossip, when someone angers you- don’t blow their head off- talk it out or shake it off etc. There’s also your CONSCIENCE which helps you to discern right and wrong. you don’t need an archaic book written by dysfunctional men to tell you what you’ve already been taught by YOUR SOCIETY/COMMUNITY. And if you’re not sure you can always find out what the laws of the land (be it local or internationally) are.
And for those who believe we’re Atheists because we want to be immoral…I dare you to research the percentage of atheists in US prisons vs those who believe in jesus.
how can one person set the standard for a people-it takes a community…unless ur a dictator? case in point…if your god set the standard for xtianity… why are there reportedly 38,000+ DIFFERENT TYPES of christian denominations? PEOPLE…in the christian community decided to create their own norms, rules, values, by laws etc
“It’s beyond obvious that atheism is a lie that was created by rebels who felt they were superior to God”
- How can I feel superior to something that I don’t believe exists? Do you feel superior to Zeus? Do you feel superior to Thor? By your reasoning, your disbelief in them qualifies as arrogance towards them.
“First and foremost atheism is simply willful rebellion against God. After speaking to quite a few atheists I have come to conclusion that the majority of them always sound very angry, although they claim their anger is not directed towards God, I have every reason to believe otherwise.”
- No. You can’t rebel against something that does not exist. An atheist isn’t angry at something that doesn’t exist. If at all they are angry, they are angry at the attitude of the adherents or the institution of belief itself itself. One only needs to look at the variety of religious conflict or how religious belief is given a free pass in debates about highly controversial things. But again, not all atheists are angry. And I don’t believe you’ve had a rational discussion with them. Ever. This article is what you think atheists are, not what your ‘studies’ have revealed.
“Darwin himself was never an enemy of the Christian faith neither did he propose his theory to destroy the Christian faith or discredit it. It’s those who hated the Christian faith who deliberately used his theory to advance their agendas”
- Huh? Evolutionary theory wasn’t adopted because people hated Christ, it was adopted because it provides a viable way of explaining the natural world. For the record a lot of theists believe in evolution and adopted it during the start. And what is the atheist agenda? Did I miss out on a meeting or something?
“I have spoken to many atheists who claim morality does not come from God, stating it comes from society. Now allow me to ask these questions; how did human beings know the difference between right and wrong? Who taught human beings that murder, stealing, lying, adultery, were wrong? Who set the standards for morality if not God? After examining all these questions I came to conclusion that it’s impossible to be moral without God.”
Did you know in societies where non-belief is highest the crime rates are lower? Look at the crime rates in the Scandinavian countries and Japan. Compare them to America and some Asian and African countries where religiosity is highest. Religious belief is not a prerequisite to morality. In addition, atheists make up one of the smallest numbers in prison. Morality is dependent upon the individual person. So it is not only possible to be moral without God, but highly common! Not to sound arrogant, but I volunteer with children; give to charity; try my best not to be mean to people; help others if possible; abstain from violence; seldom get angry; and have never raped or sexually assaulted someone. But I’m still immoral because I don’t believe in your God? You see, that would make someone angry- it’s arrogance on the part of a theist to assume one needs religion to be a good person when many atheists display that they are morally upstanding citizens. Plus if religion was so central to morality, then how come in the thousands upon thousands of years that any form of religious belief has been around, why hasn’t mankind sorted out its act?
But let’s address the other flaws in your reasoning:
“Who taught human beings that murder, stealing, lying, adultery, were wrong? Who set the standards for morality if not God? After examining all these questions I came to conclusion that it’s impossible to be moral without God.”
- For a society to function, it is not optimal that we go around murdering, stealing and lying. Sure it happens, and isn’t uncommon, but at the same time we can all recognise that it is wrong if no justification has been provided. We’re social animals and if you look at other social animals they don’t live in absolute chaos. Why? Because it lowers the chances of survival in the wild. It’s an evolutionary trait. We need altruism to survive as a species. But I suspect you won’t take this point seriously, as I have a feeling you don’t buy the whole evolution thing.
For the sake of brevity, I’ll condense the abortion part:
- Atheism is simply the lack/disbelief in a deity, abortion is not an offshoot from it.
- Many religious people support abortion. It was not pioneered by atheists.
- Not all atheists support abortion. You’re making an assumption that atheists follow one unified concept in terms of politics or agreement upon certain issues. Granted, you might find atheists are more likely to support it, but that doesn’t mean it is central to it.
Don’t make generalisations again, please.
If the former, then no. There is no absolute ‘standard’ of morality. Whilst we have broad universal notions of morality, they are not absolute. For example, every single culture on Earth has a concept of “do not kill”, but that rule is dependant upon context. For example, killing in self-defence, war, or executing a really bad person might all be seen as justified murders, whereas murdering a child for no apparent reason will probably always be frowned upon.
If you mean the latter (how did morality develop in the first place) then I already answered that question. A combination of innate altruistic tendencies, societal customs and norms and then rational thought.
But since you believe that God set the standard for morality, you have far more problems to deal with. If you hold that God created morality, then your original question (“Who set the standard for morality?”) becomes nullified as if God can set morality at a whim, that therefore makes morality arbitrary and means there are no objective moral standards. For example if your God were to command that rape and murder were good things then we would be obliged to follow that ruling. Indeed, according to you he has the power to do so. Would you feel comfortable raping and murdering someone? Unless you adopt the viewpoint that “yes, even if God would command us to rape, kill, and steal from people it would be morally just because God said it”, your entire position is weak and faulty. It forces you to adopt an even more arbitrary definition of morality than the non-believers you vilify.
Furthermore, even if God was setting moral standards, you wouldn’t be able to tell whether it was Him or something else. For example, there are thousands of religions in the world, all with varying ideas on morality. Each of them claims that they know the will of God, but how can they? Is there any objective way to test this? How do you know you’re not in the wrong religion and committing the wrong things? How do you know Allah isn’t the one who is setting moral standards? How do you know Thor isn’t setting moral standards? What about Vishnu, Kali, Lo and other deities?
Also, for the sake of arguments sake let’s say that we don’t know where morality comes from. Why should the fact that we might not hypothetically have an answer automatically mean that God is the one giving us moral commands? That’s a false dichotomy: we don’t know how morality got here, therefore God did it. We have so many variables at work here that might shape morality, upbringing, culture, environmental effects, social effects, genetics, etc. Why is it a two-way street? Furthermore, how do you know that is the God that you believe in giving you moral guidance?
In addition, we have to establish that God exists before we can move on to whether God is responsible for morality. And as it stands, there’s no compelling evidence of Gods existence.
I look forward to reading your response.
Also, no offence, but you should read some philosophy books on morality and epistemology. Whether you become atheist or remain Christian, they are useful for debate.
You do realise science does not agree with the bible, right? Or any other religious texts. No, you wouldn’t know this, because you don’t understand science.
Taking care of gods suposed creations seems like a way to give back to god…and not the lazzy way. With actions, and not just self centered praying…
In her favor…the ones that contradict her irrational bigotry and that she has no
means to refute she just ignores…
I see many verry logical and reasonable coments that you do not reply to
Us to worship him…why would god care more about people worshiping him that
He would care about people getting along and helping others?
I don’t see how this god can be discribed as good loving and fair.
If you want to say your god is good, fair. Loving…etc…then he will judge
People based on their actions…a person that does good should go to heaven
A person that does bad thing to harm others should be condemed…and something
That’s doesn’t have any kinf of affect on anyone (such as homosexuality), well then
Its irrelevant and nobodys buisness…
Its kind of petty and selfish to say god will send people to hell just for
Not beliving the same as you…
There are 5 billion non crhistians…many good people that do much more to make the world
A better place than most crhistians…
Your prioritys are messed up…and you yourself are making your god look selfish
Petty, unfair and even twisted. You must have mental problems to think the god
YOU discribe is good…
There may be a god, but not one that condemes good people just for not beleving the same
As you…that’s messed up.
Even if such a god were real I still wouldent worship him…I would still have enough love for my good brothers and sisters that were condemed even thou they were good people and did good that I would stand up for them…
Bottom line…the god you discribed can not be caractirized as fair and loving
10 Questions That Led To My Atheism
Posted on December 23, 2009
by CJ Werleman
1. If there is a God then why did he make me an atheist?
2. If God made all, then he also created the Devil. Why not admit he made a bit of a manufacturing fuck up and recall Satan and end evil? What’s he waiting for? He doesn’t done anything since Day 6.
3. If God is omniscient, thus creating you, me, and everyone else, whilst also setting the rules of the game ahead of time, then why on earth would he need to sacrifice a human son in such a grotesque manner as penance for sins that he knew we were already going to commit?
4. If Jesus was that impressive then why didn’t anyone write about him while he was alive? Surely walking on water would’ve warranted some kind of article in the Galilee Gazette, under the headline ‘Local Boy Suspends Laws of Nature’
5. Not only did God sit back with arms folded while the Holocaust took place, I mean c’mon just one well placed lightening bolt could’ve at least slowed the Aushwitz supply line, but he didn’t even think that the whole Nazi enterprise deserved an explanation from one of his prophets. Not even a two-page fold out brochure.
6. Was the Bible written by God? Did the book descend from heaven atop a white fluffy cloud? Oh, it wasn’t! Who wrote it then? A bunch of Middle Eastern men but you don’t know exactly who? Well good luck with that then. Not for me. Later.
7. If God hates homosexuals then why did he make lipstick lesbians so darn hot?
8. The first four of the ten commandments only reveal that God is jealous and proud of it. If he created everything then what on earth does he have to be jealous of? Hmm seems a little suspicious to me.
9. Why did God waste the opportunity to warn us about cancer, germs, and George W. Bush when he sent himself to earth in human form?
10. How come God hated the same people that the Israelites did? Me thinks there’s a clue here.
CJ Werleman
Author ‘God Hates You. Hate Him Back‘ (Making Sense of the Bible)
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Condemed that go to heaven contribueting to opression and pointless conflict for generations
To come…
You mean like you do.
You are basicly saying anyone with other views that yours are imoral…but that is not true. People can be good, help people and make the world a better place even if they don’t belive in crhistianity…
There are good and bad crhistians…but you think anyone that is not a crhistians is an evil imoral liar…there are good and bad people in every group raissa…please don’t make generalizations…that is all…
peopl can be moral without god…and they can be moral beliving in a diferent god than you…just respect
Are you happy woth the thought of good non crhistians not going to heaven??? O.o
That implies they know that they are lying and are doing it intentionaly as if they have an agenda as you say. Like they are persecuting you and have some kind of intention to harm you..
athiests do not have an agenda twoards crhistians…they just want respect. I am an agnostic myself…but I don’t think its fair to say anyone has an an agenda against you just for not having the same belifs as you.
You are the one telling athiests and homosexuals that the creator and master of the whole universe will not accept them even thou they are good people and have done no harm…just for not beliving the same as you…
Don’t you think its arrogant to claim to not only be sure there is a god…but that you know how god works, what god wants, who god will save or not…
You are basicly saying you know god better than other people, that god likes you better…and you have a more special position to god just because of what you belive…
Not even by your actions…its just about what you belive…
Speaking for god is a sin as well…
There are many bad people in the world…but you say god is concerned with the good people that don’t have the same belifs as you???
I just wanted to leave this here.
Genesis 38:24
God’s law states that if a woman is pregnant and is to be executed there is to be no waiting for the fetus to be born. It is counted as part of the mother and she burned to death with it still in her womb.
God places absolutely no value on human life between the point of conception and the end of the fourth week after the birth.
God’s law states that if a woman is pregnant and is to be executed there is to be no waiting for the fetus to be born. It is counted as part of the mother and she burned to death with it still in her womb.
God places absolutely no value on human life between the point of conception and the end of the fourth week after the birth.
Lance armstrong is and athiest for one, and he has one of the largest cancer charityis in the world. Not only rasing money for cancer studies but providing care for thoes who don’t have acess. (Many unicef and peta members are athiests)…I’m an athiest, and I have voluntered at cancer hospitals since I was 16, I have also done voluntere work for sevral diferent causes…I would bet my car that I have done more than you…
Crhistians never do anything out of legitimit cate…there is always an agenda…weather it is fear of condemnation, or to use part of the money raised by the carity for a church.
Most crhistian churches are extremly wealthy, and give verry little of there wealth to the needy (just enoug to fool people)
all the crhistians did about the hati crissis was set prayer groups and donate bible!! LMAO…yes, bibles…not food, not medication, not clothes…bibles!
Crhistians use much for effort fighing things like, homosexuality, abortion, athiesm, false religions, divorce…etc…that they do serious issues like cancer, starving children….
Stem cell rearch is on of the most promissing studies to cure cancer and aids…protested by who? Yep, you guessed it…crhistians!
Any good crhistians do is just human…just comon sense…and you can find good deeds done by any group…athiests, muslums, jews…(you can also find people doing bad things in any group, you have many horrible crhistians)
You just demostrated another problem with christians, they think morality and doing good is only atribueted to them…when it really just a human issue.
P.S- one verry good thing almost all athiests do for humanity is stand for equal rights for homosexuals…
The least religious societies in this world tend to be the most peaceful, most intellectual, and have less crime than those that are (ie, America).
The best scientists are overwhelmingly atheist.
In fact, the Pew Research Center has shown that atheists (along with Jews and Mormons) know more about world religion and the Bible than most mainstream Christians (including Evangelicals, Protestants, etc).
Atheists not benefiting humanity? Ranging from the inventor of the Apple computer (Steve Wozniak) to the father of the modern computer (Alan Turing) to the creator of Linux (Linus Torvalds), plenty of atheists have done plenty of good things. Gould, Sagan, Freud… I’m a bit of a science/tech guy, so that’s the stuff I know about best.
Oh, but that doesn’t matter. Stormbringer likes to create strawmen and tilt at windmills, all sprinkled liberally with some righteous indignation…
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_film,_radio,_television_and_theater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheist_philosophers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(miscellaneous) – (shorter groups: Business, Comedians, Historians, Military, Social Scientists, Sports, Visual arts)
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Celebrity Atheists List
http://www.ranker.com/list/celebrity-atheists-list/famous-atheists
http://www.celebatheists.com
Really? There’s NO chance at all that it might be the fact that you are a condescending hypocritical shit? LOLOLOL!
I’ve spoken to you, and I find that your bullshit is beyond bearing. I used to think you were stupid. Now I just assume you’re putting it on. And THAT is hilarious.
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html
Did you actually look up the definition of atheism? Seriously? Willful rebellion against god? how can someone willfully rebel against that which they do not believe? It’s called a dictionary to look up words you don’t know the meaning of, not making up some crazy-ass definition to fit your insane agenda.
I hope someone smacks you around sometime. Or perhaps someone has, and it shook your brain loose, and this is where you ended up.
You are the most ignorant person i’ve come across on the internet…..
I bet you believe the world is only 6,000 years old and people co-existed with dinosaurs don’t you?
I’m hoping this entire site is a joke, and you are trying to be as stupid as possible to get people to comment because you feel any attention, even bad, is better than none at all.
As an aside, I have to agree with your claim that God is required for morality. I’ve just begun reading the Bible recently, and up until this point, I’ve been killing, stealing, lying, and all other manner of horribly immoral behaviour.
Unless Nazis threw you into a gas chamber back in 1939, you are not experiencing any kind of Holocaust. Unless someone has set you on fire, you are not experiencing any kind of holocaust. You are just arguing on the internet.
Godwin shakes his head at all of you.
I did find some information about secular morality you might want to look at if you are serious about doing research on how atheists can be moral. The following site has some very good presentations by Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty that go into some very good detail concerning godless morality (as well as other good presentations. click on the “Good” menu). http://www.iamgoodwithoutgod.com/
On that page, if you look into some of the statistics on the page it links to “Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the Findings of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and Assumptions” you will get some very good information about who in the world is being moral.
It is quite clear that godless people are at least, if not more, moral than theists.
She found the Bible, written by human beings over a period of time, and took their word for it. It’s sad, really.
Thank goodness for The Enlightment and reason.
Thanks
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom to convey evil. You’re walking a very fine line.
Secondly, morals come from evolution because those with morals obviously did better than those without.
Thirdly you are stereotyping atheists by saying they’re angry. I am a strong atheist and I am calm as a summer breeze.
Fourthly, how can an atheist be angry at something they don’t believe to exist.
good day.
2) “considering the fact that morality comes from God”. fact? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
3) Morals are a product of evolution. That’s how even fundamentalist morons like you know how to reject some of the horrendous so-called “morals” in the bible.
4) You write like a 10 year old.
What an immature ignoramus you are.